oh hey one more car negotiating story:

today i offered a specified amount for a car, which would yield a lease payment of, lets use $100 per month as an example.

the guy countered offered with: "ok, i've been working really hard and i think i have a good offer for you this time." he proceeded to tell me that if i put $1,000 down on the car, i could have my monthly payment of of $100. i think some of these guys are programmed to be manipulative and stupid.

i called him and the phone and said, "i just want to be clear, you are telling me if i put down $1,000, i can have my monthly desired payment? that offer isn't any different from any of your previous offers is it?" what an idiot.